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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 18, 2009 4:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

"Do you think more of him or less, knowing that his death in many ways was probably avoidable? "

neither more, nor less...death is a fact of life...Jerry did not commit suicide

"To what degree is the success of the band responsible for Jerry's early departure?"

not sure how to answer this one...it is definitely a factor and Jerry seemed much happier when working on hos various side projects...happier maybe, but still under the influence of all the factors...(except the stress???)...that ultimately caused his untimely(???) demise

"Jerry was a genius in many many ways, but he really appeared to go against the grain when it came to a healthy regime. Does it seem unusual that Jerry went the other way from the stereotype of many heads in terms of a healthy, natural lifestyle?"

Jerry was Jerry doing what Jerry wanted to do...the rest of the world be damned...they were personal choices that Jerry made for whatever reason..or lack thereof

"was the use of strong opiates out of step with the overall nature of the band and it's legions? "
NO!
drugs, sex and rock and roll....tune in, turn on, drop out
If it feels good, do it!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 19, 2009 8:45am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

"neither more, nor less...death is a fact of life...Jerry did not commit suicide"

he absolutely did! passive suicide is still suicide. if I had kept drinking, KNOWING that it was going to kill me very soon, and did so anyways - that is not suicide?? most assuredly is. suicide is not just a single gunshot to the head.

no excuse for what Jerry did. there would have been no excuse if I died doing what I was doing. Jerry was all about Jerry and I was all about me.

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 19, 2009 9:44am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Very profound , Dire Wolf :you are still you ,here ,and now ,and we sure wouldn't want you gone ! Ouaf,ouaf !

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 19, 2009 2:53pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Speak for yourself...Flow, McGlone, Arb and Ashes (the "other Ashes"), Rob and I started a "rid the world of Dire" association some years ago...but now we can't find the original Dire and assume this one ("Mr Nice Guy"...gag) is some French Imposter...





[sorry D!]

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Poster: user unknown Date: Oct 19, 2009 9:40am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

I knew I would get that response. And I agree that Jerry's years of self-destructive behavior could be viewed as "passive suicide". Though I would argue that suicide takes a concious decision, while Jerry suffered from a pronounced lack of decision. Don, in your case, you made the concious decision to quit rather than following the passive non-decision to continue with the destructive behavior. And we're glad you made that decision you old masshole.

BTW, what happened to your socks???Photobucket

This post was modified by user unknown on 2009-10-19 16:40:16

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 19, 2009 9:53am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

thanks brother :)

and please, do not mention my "socks" - i am in a deep depression which was only somewhat alleviated by the whooping my Pats laid on the Fisher and the Titans - holy crap what a thumping!!

(bruins are depressing me too, so please, no mention of them either - lol)

hope all is well with ya Bill! :)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 19, 2009 3:08pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

I share your dark mood re: Bruins. That franchise has been driving me batty for 37 years.

I cannot belive how horrible they look this season (actually, yes I can.) Oh, for the days of Orr and Espo!!!!

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 19, 2009 3:17pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

at this point i'd take the days of Neely, Oates, Borque, and Janney


what the hell happened to Kobasew - he was playing like he was labotomized. oh well, good cap clearing move by Chiarelli (as well as a wake up slap to the myriad other offenders on the team)

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Poster: grendelschoice Date: Oct 20, 2009 6:26am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Yes, but unless he uses the Kessel draft picks to trade for a HUGE impact player (like Kovalchuk) this team is going absolutely nowhere this season. Maybe part of clearing Kobi's salary is part of a move to accommodate a big chunk of change for a Kovalchuk-type player if they can fit it in under the cap.

Such a dispiriting start after a strong year (minus playoffs) last year.

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 20, 2009 6:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

i hope so too grendel - forgot all about the Kessel deal - hope you are on to something!!


and yes - quite dispiriting, isnt it

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 11:21am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

"passive suicide is still suicide"

so i'm halfway through my second cup of coffee and i'm wondering if maybe Lucifer himself isn't lined up in the queue at Property Titles to register a lien on my soul in anticipation of me crossing over the line to the dark side of self abuse with a third cup of coffee

if i buy fair trade coffee can i drink all i want knowing that Jesus can veto my fall from grace with the sacrifice exemption clause?

if i grind the beans and boil the water but then forget to drink the third cup am i saved or will my soul still be laid to waste for the sin that was already created in my thoughts and intention?

are doctors, lawyers and rock stars held to a higher standard than say, high voltage electricians, rodeo clowns and asbestos mine workers?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 20, 2009 1:24pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Speaking of self abuse

http://www.break.com/index/drunkest-guy-ever-goes-for-more-beer.html#TellAFriendhttp://stats.break.com/invoke.txt

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 20, 2009 11:29am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

huh ?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 20, 2009 11:27am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

huh?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 11:50am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

"passive suicide is still suicide"

agreement in principal, i'm not sure of the parameters (what constitutes "passive"?)

disregard my lame attempt at satire

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

oh :)

wasnt sure if you were serious or not - being a coffee drinker, i took offense - lol.

yeah, parameters are tough and can certainly be blurred, but heroin abuse (as alcohol in my case) are pretty much clearly on the preventable parameter perimeter (sorry for the alliteration)

:)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:09pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

it's too late anyways, i'm already past my third cup :)

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:37pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

ive had 5 today - i'll be knocking on the sarcophagus within moments :)

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:44pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

"sarcophagus", is that an anatomical term related to the study of bovinity?

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Poster: direwolf0701 Date: Oct 20, 2009 5:22pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

that would be a "cudophagus" - definitely a very holy term ;)

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Poster: hippie64 Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:04pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Don't forget to put the coffee grounds in your roses soil they love it. What would passive-aggressive suicide be ?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

almost forgot about the roses (my other vice)

what a grate eulogy...it must have been the roses

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 20, 2009 12:52pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

With apologies to your rose garden and its fertilizer:

"A rose by any other name would still smell like bessie to Dire"

"Caught in the thorns of her sweet embrace...Dire did step lightly betwixt the scent of the flower and the pile of manure..."

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 1:12pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

holey cow!

seriously, are all of us committing some degree of self-destruction>suicide?

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Poster: William Tell Date: Oct 20, 2009 1:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Hey MS--did you reply twice to this? I got two reply notices, but the other said "thread removed"...? Must've been Tito! Or bessie?

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 20, 2009 2:33pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

must have been the skies over Quebec..."That sounds like crazy disco fun, no? Ha!"
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e_--adcR-80

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2009-10-20 21:33:59

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 21, 2009 7:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

This YouTube on Québec is fun , Midnight Sun . I have never been toQuébec myself ,but I thought they speak french there , or dont they anymore ? We ,the real French (from Paris of course) always found funny these accents from elsewhere ,especially québecois !I must add that Québecois ,in spite of their accent are truly fine and friendly people , deadheads from Québec being the most outstanding !

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 21, 2009 2:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

perhaps some background is in order

this is a satire staged by English speaking Canadians pretending to be French speaking Canadians trying to speak English

Quebec voters (the majority of which speak French) typically vote as a block during federal elections...the federal political party that forms power typically gives the province of Quebec more than its fair share of funding knowing that voters within Quebec can EASILY swing the next federal election one way or the other

the rest of Canada (the majority of which speak English and do not typically vote as a block) view Quebec as the "spoiled child", whom has gone as far as to threaten to leave the "family" if they don't get what they want ("separatists")

Quebecois feel that English Canada has run roughshod over their language and cultural rights in the past and have devised concepts such as "distinct society" and "sovereignty association" in an effort to protect French culture


of course, individuals are individuals and satires such as the one i linked are meant to aim at political attitudes

This post was modified by midnight sun on 2009-10-21 21:29:58

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Poster: skies Date: Oct 21, 2009 11:59am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

I have always regretted that our french kings didn't bother better to keep Québec ,MidnightSun .

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 21, 2009 11:05am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1-XbZL7Lns&;feature=related

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 21, 2009 12:29pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

http://www.southparkstudios.com/clips/165186/?searchterm=canada

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 21, 2009 2:50pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

that linky no worky in Canada, unless that was your point :)

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 21, 2009 3:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

really? You can't get South Park in Canada?

http://www.southparkstudios.com/

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Poster: bluedevil Date: Oct 21, 2009 3:21pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

Nor Michael Moore's "Canadian Bacon". Strange, but true...

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Poster: midnight sun Date: Oct 21, 2009 3:26pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

that one works

more of a Simpsons fan myself, my kids (now adults) use to absorb ALL of those shows, i can only handle so much of the insanity

any suggestions?

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 22, 2009 6:15am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

There are lots of funny clips on southparkstudios.com

Do a search on hippies or Canada or aliens or drugs

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Poster: jglynn1.2 Date: Oct 21, 2009 12:20pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

That is funny

"our second class citizens"

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Poster: davebigdaddy Date: Oct 18, 2009 5:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: Jerry Poll

It was the sum of Jerry's experiences that made him what he was/became. Same for each and every one of us. Sure, I think some modification of addictive behaviors may well have spared the man the fate that befell him, but how might his personality and creativity have changed as a result?


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